In reply to Brandons post dated 12 july in regards to the battle of Chippwea I can very much reccomend Donald Graves (Arguably the best historian on that war) Redcoats and Greyjackets which is an excellent work on the battle. Though sadly Riall’s famous saying was probably not said. The first known recording of that was Winfield Scott’s memoirs in 1864. And he would have done it so distinguish his men from the Militia whom he despised. For a good overview of the whole war I can reccomend J.C Hitsmans The Incredible War of 1812. Geraint